Loose Play & Beanie Hats.

December 1, 2006

After admitting to myself that I simply cannot play every league game, because of the time difference (99% start at 11pm my time) I am left with a bit of a dilemma. So far this week I have not played a league game, so what do I write about?

Well as I haven’t been playing I can’t really write about that aspect on a personal level, but I have been observing and listening, so maybe I can tap out on the keyboard here some of my ‘takes’ on what I am seeing and hearing from outside the loop. So with that in mind, today’s blog is going to be slanted towards a more serious post. (not entirely serious of course, that’d be impossible for me)

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I am no poker pro, I am not a mathematical wizard, nor am I an overly experienced at poker, so remember this is just a personal opinion, based on my own observations and (hopefully) logical deductions. Not from a book, nor ‘cribbed’ from another website. I may be totally wrong and welcome comments and advice from anyone.So, I have been shooting the breeze in the leagues chat room on Paltalk. And, it is very interesting to listen to the general comments being throughout the game, without being distracted by playing the game itself. (Actually it is just the 1st session I listen to, as I am in bed snoring come the second hour of play.)The number of complaints ringing in the chat room as the game progresses, came as a bit of a surprise to me, obviously because when in a game I am guilty of it also and don’t notice it so much. Yanno the sort of thing I mean, e.g. “heck did you see what they bet with?” or “Sucked out on the river again..” and so on. Now, complaining about bad beats or losing a hand is of course a natural thing to do, everyone does it.It also seems the ‘mutterings’ revolve around maybe 4 or 5 players and their playing style, not exclusively to this small cabal of course, as sometimes new players enter the league and of course the ‘mutterings’ also come from games other than the league games.

Yet, these seemingly loose players surprisingly can be and are often quite successful in the league games. It is extremely unlikely they are just constantly lucky players, luck will come into the equation of course, but there logically has to be some hard statistics that are tipping the balance towards this style of play, especially in our tight league games.

So I thought about this and, well, read on then you can shoot me down in flames after.

Generally tight strong players all play reactively almost all the time. This may even apply when you think you are the action player. The hardcore league members mostly are very tight, very exacting poker players. What I mean by exacting is; the pot odds, the number of outs, position, stack size etc. are all considered very carefully before any move is made.

Against other tight strong tactical players, your logical reasoning (if correctly reasoned) will win you the hand most times. Against those loose players you’ll also win most times in this situation, but no where near as often as against the tight player.

I would suspect that the majority of the tight league players are playing something like the top 20-25 hands only, this is out of a possible 169 pocket hands, and of those 20-25 top hand combinations, probably only acting aggressively with the top 40-50% (AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, TT, AQs, AJs, KQs, AK, 99)

So as a tight player, 15 of 16 hands you will be playing reactively, that is when someone makes an action bet you will be folding any hand that is weaker than that 1 in 16. Because you are playing that logical reasoned, text book, tight game.

These ‘tight’ strong starting hand combinations account for only 7% of all hands dealt, so if we accept the majority of the league players are very tight, what is happening to the other 93% hands that are being dealt? Well obviously when a tight player is dealt one of the other 93% of possibilities that are available they are almost certainly folding them at some point.

Not so for the seemingly loose players, their window of opportunity is much wider, they may play anything up to the top 80 starting hands (almost 50% of the 169 possibilities). And unless your 7% hits on the flop there is every chance their 40-50% pocket hand has. When this happens the tight player can lose big, simply because they are playing text book odds and will feel their 7% strong pocket hand must be winning.

The seemingly loose player can usually afford to chase the hand more also, because they have been picking up smaller pots all along by betting action bets with weaker hands against the tight players. Basically aside from the obvious suck outs that happen when anyone loses to a real river chaser, we have no one to blame but ourselves. We play so tightly we allow the seemingly loose players to clean up all the hands that are not within our 7% window.

And when we do eventually hit one of our 7% hands the loose player may not be that concerned, because to them the situation is reversed. They know that only a small percentage of the time they are in the hand will they actually be a big underdog. For them the odds are, how many hands they can pick up by the tight players folding, against, how many times they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Add to that equation, they know the tight players, so it is easier for them to recognise when to drop out of a hand, or the tight players will come against another tight player with a 7% hand and they will hurt one another big time. You don’t often see the seemingly loose player all-in against 2 or more all-in known tight players.

And often on a big table with many tight players acting aggressively pre flop, that weaker hand often proves a better bet than the obvious top starting 20 pocket hands, which those tighter players are probably sharing as they acting so aggressively!

Well that is what I have reasoned and I have only thought about my league when reasoning this conundrum. I am sure this ‘theory’ doesn’t apply to free rolls or larger tournaments swimming with freshly hatched fry.

I am not even sure I am even close to being correct about my league, yet, there has to be a hard cold logical reason why the seemingly loose players do so well. Until someone can come up with a better theory I reckon mine here holds some merit.

Ok so the weekend is here and a new month has started and so a new monthly championship has started at the league. Congrats to November winners! Lardog and Saturn. ;)

Tonight I should be actually playing a game at last! Woot!

I am even ready for Lardog tonight! If you have read the blog regularly, you’ll know all about Lardog’s ability to whisper little nuggets of advice to me at the most inopportune moments, usually ending with me crashing out on the bubble or worse when heads up. And all about my ongoing inability to not listen to his nuggets of wisdom!

As Steph said in her comment on the last blog-post; “lol I’ve heard it before right out of Blags mouth, “that is the last time I listen to Lar”.. but no he went and did it again. when will you learn hun do the exact opposite of wha the says.

Well I agree Steph, but as I said in the reply to your comment, I have come to the conclusion that Lardog is a Martian (only an alien could drink that much and still play poker) and he has a mind control ray!

So tonight I prepared for him! I have fashioned myself a tin foil beanie hat to reflect all his mind control rays! Do your worst Lardog (or is that Marsdog eh?… eh?) bring it on! I got you covered now, just watch me clean up in tonight’s game.

Hahaha free…free.. free thought…. at last.. *maniacal cackle* hahaha…

*wanders off to put the finishing touches to his new hat*

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6 Responses to “Loose Play & Beanie Hats.”

  1. pinkydragon on December 1st, 2006 1:57 pm

    cant wait to see the beanie hat.

  2. Svcmgr on December 1st, 2006 3:36 pm

    Blag, your observations are very enlightening. As I was reading, it started to make more sense to me. I think you are right on with your opinion.
    One of the things I have noticed is that the “loose” players often put the pressure of a calling decision on the tighter players. For example, three ppl call to the flop. The flop comes 3d, 6c, 9s. Usually, the “tight” players will check this flop because they typically are calling with better starting hands but haven’t hit yet. If it gets checked to the “loose” player, the loose player may bet at this point. This bet then puts the decision or pressure on the tight players to call. The tight player will usually fold at this point (especially later in the tourny) unless they have a piece of the flop or have a good drawing hand because the loose player could have called with anything.
    I read or heard somewhere that it is always best to put the pressure of making a decision on your opponent.
    If the tight player stays in and “chases” and the loose player wins. Suck out comments or “what the hell was he betting on” comments seem to prevail.
    I too am no math guy or odds expert. I do look at pot odds while playing though.
    I do play more against the “player” in League games because I am more familiar with there style of play. Out in the world of SNG’s and small buy-in Tourny’s however you run into all kinds so I play more “personal” if that makes sense.
    Being a tight player myself, I can understand the frustration of being in a hand with A Q and losing to a 10 7 caller who has hit a pair. But, this too is part of the game. I usually blame myself for this because either I didn’t bet enough pre-flop or post flop. I don’t bet and put the decision on my opposing player. Being tight, it is hard for me to bet post flop with over cards because thats just how I am but I realize this and I am trying to get better at it.
    I think I have become much better at accepting bad beats or huge suck outs. Maybe it is because I have experienced it from both sides enough to know it just happens sometimes. You can play the best cards, have the best hand, bet the best, and sometimes still lose just cause it happens sometimes.
    With the suck outs and loose callers, if I lose, I try to evaluate my play to see what I can do in the future to get them out of this type of hand so I don’t get myself in this position again.
    I look at it as part of the game and it is something to learn about and hopefully get better at so I can play better against it.

    As far as Lar goes, the three of us were playing the other day and Lar was offering advice on a couple of hands. The funny thing was we were listening. I don’t know why because he had time to offer advice because he was out and we were still in. That should of gave us a clue..lol

    Let me know if the hat works. I may need one myself.

    We are in the middle of getting about 6-12 inches of snow so tonight may be out for me because I need to “dig out”. Tomorrow is the Company Christmas Party so I won’t be able to play tomorrow night.
    I need a “League” fix so I will try.
    Good Luck if I don’t see ya!

  3. Blagger on December 1st, 2006 7:03 pm

    Thanks for your thought out reply Svcmgr.. You are touching upon what I was thinking of talking about in my next blog entry.. Basically, ‘ok now I know this stuff, what do I do to my game to counter and improve my game when confronted by that style of play etc..

    As for Lardog and your comment; “and Lar was offering advice on a couple of hands. The funny thing was we were listening.”

    It’s not funny, I told yah he has a mind control ray! Go to that link and make yahself a tin foil beanie hat. I am sure it is going to work and luckily enough my head is about the same size as the chicken I bought for the Sunday roast so the foil wont be wasted, it is pre-formed for the chicken also.

  4. Svcmgr on December 1st, 2006 7:22 pm

    Lol.
    I would need a full face shield version. That way, my brain would be covered and my mouth would be covered.
    Covering my mouth would help because I think Lar uses the alchoholic beverage to increase his power.
    I only know this because the more I drink them, the more I listen to him so his power must be growing with each drink I take.

  5. The Gopher on December 4th, 2006 11:29 pm

    It just goes to show how your brain really goes into overdrive when there’s no alcohol about! LOL!

    You’ve made some very interesting points Blags (and Svc). As for your next entry Blags on countering said style of play, number one has to be ‘Loosen up!’ You have to start mixing it up a bit. Start playing those low suited connectors, or even just non suited connectors. If all else fails, play the hand I suggested to you… the good old 5 2 suited. Lastly, as Svc hinted…. be aggressive!

    And this coming from a bloke who hasn’t won in ages…LOL!

  6. Blagger on December 5th, 2006 9:16 am

    Yup Goph that was exactly what I did.. loosen up..sheesh ;)

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