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		<title>By: gopher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m available most days, but probably the best time would be a Saturday around 9pm (4pm est). As you have indicated Paul, we could even play at the play money tables, as long as we play how we would normally if we had cash invested.
If not Saturday then on a Friday night after the league&#039;s Full Tilt game would be best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m available most days, but probably the best time would be a Saturday around 9pm (4pm est). As you have indicated Paul, we could even play at the play money tables, as long as we play how we would normally if we had cash invested.<br />
If not Saturday then on a Friday night after the league&#8217;s Full Tilt game would be best.</p>
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		<title>By: zitlips</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know i&#039;ll play...when and where is an important matter...weekdays is out for me...Fridays as long as its after 6:00pm...Saturday..anytime with a weeks notice...Sunday...anytime as long as it don&#039;t last past 8:00pm...that would be 10:00est...and of course ya all know I will only ...KILL KILL KILL..hehehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know i&#8217;ll play&#8230;when and where is an important matter&#8230;weekdays is out for me&#8230;Fridays as long as its after 6:00pm&#8230;Saturday..anytime with a weeks notice&#8230;Sunday&#8230;anytime as long as it don&#8217;t last past 8:00pm&#8230;that would be 10:00est&#8230;and of course ya all know I will only &#8230;KILL KILL KILL..hehehe</p>
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		<title>By: Blagger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the encouraging words mate, appreciate that.

And as for getting together to play, the shout is out there already if yah wanna join up.. The hand history thing I mentioned and that Gordon has already put his hand up for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the encouraging words mate, appreciate that.</p>
<p>And as for getting together to play, the shout is out there already if yah wanna join up.. The hand history thing I mentioned and that Gordon has already put his hand up for.</p>
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		<title>By: Svcmgr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulie,
Good point on the A rag thing. I didn&#039;t notice that he didn&#039;t go all-in he just put you all-in. That is a good indicator of someone trying to represent a hand they don&#039;t have.
I guess I haven&#039;t played from the perspective of building chips early or going home.
I know you have talked about this before and it is a strategy you use sometimes.
No one wants you to loose. I think we just want to learn more. A different result in a game would let us learn more.
Your analysis during a game and after are detailed, well thought out, and to me a great learning tool.
Of course, I understand not doing this when you move up to a more serious level.
Maybe when you get some time and want to play for fun, we can play together.
Good luck with the higher levels.
Let me know how you do.
Thanks for all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulie,<br />
Good point on the A rag thing. I didn&#8217;t notice that he didn&#8217;t go all-in he just put you all-in. That is a good indicator of someone trying to represent a hand they don&#8217;t have.<br />
I guess I haven&#8217;t played from the perspective of building chips early or going home.<br />
I know you have talked about this before and it is a strategy you use sometimes.<br />
No one wants you to loose. I think we just want to learn more. A different result in a game would let us learn more.<br />
Your analysis during a game and after are detailed, well thought out, and to me a great learning tool.<br />
Of course, I understand not doing this when you move up to a more serious level.<br />
Maybe when you get some time and want to play for fun, we can play together.<br />
Good luck with the higher levels.<br />
Let me know how you do.<br />
Thanks for all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Blagger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blagger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Dog. If it burns yah eyes when reading the text try this..

Hold down the Ctrl key and roll the wheel on your mouse, you can adjust text size of most web pages like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Dog. If it burns yah eyes when reading the text try this..</p>
<p>Hold down the Ctrl key and roll the wheel on your mouse, you can adjust text size of most web pages like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Blagger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blagger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah sorry folks that was one long blog post…

So ya’ll wanna see me get beat up.. sheesh.. I am starting to feel like a poker stuntman here lol..

Next week I will skydiving whilst playing 89 off suit from the small blind! And by extra request I’ll be doing this whilst clutching onto a copy of the Theory of Poker by David Slansky using just the power of my butt cheeks!

I don’t mind recording any game and showing it but, it is a lot easier said than done. There is not much appeal in watching a monkey suck someone out, we all know what that looks and feels like. I don’t want to have the distractions of the recording when I am playing in a higher stakes game.

I suppose the best thing might be to enter one of them $1 dollar 45 man SNG’s, not overly long and if I did reach the final positions I could edit it down to 30 minutes or so again. Have to think about that one. Maybe record a league game, that might prove interesting?

Gopher I am sure Dog and maybe Dave and Lippy would be up for that sharing hand history idea. If we can’t get 9 of us to do it we could always find a 6 seater table, also we do not have to play for real money either. There is no reason we can’t do this with play money, as long as we all play our best game and take it seriously. Perhaps a post on the forum might be in order to jolly the idea along?

@Dave-

Hey bud, I didn’t think it was a debate as such where one person tries to out-debate the other side. I tried to make it very clear that those were just quick notes you scribbled down and not set in stone.

The reason I typed up such a detailed point by point reply was that you were the only person to give me an opportunity to do so. I suspect that many people that watched the movie had similar thoughts. I bet if you had sat with me on audio through that game your observations would have been totally different. And I do appreciate you gave me something to work with.

I note what you say about the movie being a live stream and it is difficult to catch things on the fly, next time I will also include a direct download link of the movie so you can shuttle it back and forth, pause, stop, start etc.

There is actually a direct download for the old movie on the site if you still want it? Had to put it up for Dog, cos his crappy ISP kept freezing the stream on him.

Re; your new comments.

The counter points were not thought out retrospectively mate just in case you are thinking that, when I really do get into the game, this stuff zips through my head as I am playing.

Regarding the 4th hand, yup it could have been disastrous, but so can any hand, to be honest. It was early in the game I had pinpointed a monkey, AK I think on the button? Raised like $350 as you say, a hefty raise that early. BB (monkey) called, hit into the pot with $500 he called again.

Now a couple of things at this point. It is early in the game and there are still a couple (at least) of monkey’s still at the table. I have pushed in, what? 60% of my stack? So I can lay down the hand and give the monkey a commanding chip stack and cripple myself.

Where I would have to fight tooth and nail to get back to where I want to be, or I can take a risk and either get the chips right there and then or get sucked out and move onto the next game and not waste 1 hour plus limping around.

Sure I considered he might be playing Ace rag, but what made my mind up for definite was the bet he made on the turn card the Ace. He didn’t just go all in, as he surely would have done if he had two paired an Ace with a rag on the board. Instead he deliberately and carefully bet exactly what was left in my stack, something like $620. That is novice play and in this case I saw right through it, you’ll hear me exclaim when he makes that bet something like” ahah, nope that isn’t gonna work mate”. If he had me, he’d have been all-in quicker than you could say it.

In a different situation with a different player I might have taken a different view but not against Mr Monkey there. I was quite happy to put my tournament life on the line as it was a key point in the game, it was early so as I said if sucked out I ain’t wasted too much time and just move on and if I took it down it gave me the upper hand over the table and allowed me to implement my stated strategy.

I think you give the monkey too much credit mate, monkey’s don’t put people on hands, they only see their own cards most of the time. Was it an overconfident call? Nope not in the slightest, I knew exactly where I was and what was happening. Don’t read that wrong of course I wasn’t 100% sure but I was totally aware of the risk and quite prepared to take it at that stage of the game. I wasn’t caught up in the hand either.

As for the other guys on the table not hitting into a monster invisible hand, how do you know they didn’t? I am certain that monster hands were dealt out to the others at some point. I didn’t play every hand and the hands I was not involved in were usually folded to the first raise or folded to the blind.

I think the guy to my immediate right was a monkey, but once he caught some chips I think he clammed right up and to be honest I also think he was very intimidated having me directly on his left. Would you want to have been sat to my immediate right in that game? I know I wouldn’t lol..

Yeah recording a higher stakes game sounds good but yanno I have to consider the fact I am putting up good money to win good money and when push comes to shove, money is what it is all about. The distractions of recording the game is something I can do without when playing for a $100-$200 SNG prize. But, we’ll see..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah sorry folks that was one long blog post…</p>
<p>So ya’ll wanna see me get beat up.. sheesh.. I am starting to feel like a poker stuntman here lol..</p>
<p>Next week I will skydiving whilst playing 89 off suit from the small blind! And by extra request I’ll be doing this whilst clutching onto a copy of the Theory of Poker by David Slansky using just the power of my butt cheeks!</p>
<p>I don’t mind recording any game and showing it but, it is a lot easier said than done. There is not much appeal in watching a monkey suck someone out, we all know what that looks and feels like. I don’t want to have the distractions of the recording when I am playing in a higher stakes game.</p>
<p>I suppose the best thing might be to enter one of them $1 dollar 45 man SNG’s, not overly long and if I did reach the final positions I could edit it down to 30 minutes or so again. Have to think about that one. Maybe record a league game, that might prove interesting?</p>
<p>Gopher I am sure Dog and maybe Dave and Lippy would be up for that sharing hand history idea. If we can’t get 9 of us to do it we could always find a 6 seater table, also we do not have to play for real money either. There is no reason we can’t do this with play money, as long as we all play our best game and take it seriously. Perhaps a post on the forum might be in order to jolly the idea along?</p>
<p>@Dave-</p>
<p>Hey bud, I didn’t think it was a debate as such where one person tries to out-debate the other side. I tried to make it very clear that those were just quick notes you scribbled down and not set in stone.</p>
<p>The reason I typed up such a detailed point by point reply was that you were the only person to give me an opportunity to do so. I suspect that many people that watched the movie had similar thoughts. I bet if you had sat with me on audio through that game your observations would have been totally different. And I do appreciate you gave me something to work with.</p>
<p>I note what you say about the movie being a live stream and it is difficult to catch things on the fly, next time I will also include a direct download link of the movie so you can shuttle it back and forth, pause, stop, start etc.</p>
<p>There is actually a direct download for the old movie on the site if you still want it? Had to put it up for Dog, cos his crappy ISP kept freezing the stream on him.</p>
<p>Re; your new comments.</p>
<p>The counter points were not thought out retrospectively mate just in case you are thinking that, when I really do get into the game, this stuff zips through my head as I am playing.</p>
<p>Regarding the 4th hand, yup it could have been disastrous, but so can any hand, to be honest. It was early in the game I had pinpointed a monkey, AK I think on the button? Raised like $350 as you say, a hefty raise that early. BB (monkey) called, hit into the pot with $500 he called again.</p>
<p>Now a couple of things at this point. It is early in the game and there are still a couple (at least) of monkey’s still at the table. I have pushed in, what? 60% of my stack? So I can lay down the hand and give the monkey a commanding chip stack and cripple myself.</p>
<p>Where I would have to fight tooth and nail to get back to where I want to be, or I can take a risk and either get the chips right there and then or get sucked out and move onto the next game and not waste 1 hour plus limping around.</p>
<p>Sure I considered he might be playing Ace rag, but what made my mind up for definite was the bet he made on the turn card the Ace. He didn’t just go all in, as he surely would have done if he had two paired an Ace with a rag on the board. Instead he deliberately and carefully bet exactly what was left in my stack, something like $620. That is novice play and in this case I saw right through it, you’ll hear me exclaim when he makes that bet something like” ahah, nope that isn’t gonna work mate”. If he had me, he’d have been all-in quicker than you could say it.</p>
<p>In a different situation with a different player I might have taken a different view but not against Mr Monkey there. I was quite happy to put my tournament life on the line as it was a key point in the game, it was early so as I said if sucked out I ain’t wasted too much time and just move on and if I took it down it gave me the upper hand over the table and allowed me to implement my stated strategy.</p>
<p>I think you give the monkey too much credit mate, monkey’s don’t put people on hands, they only see their own cards most of the time. Was it an overconfident call? Nope not in the slightest, I knew exactly where I was and what was happening. Don’t read that wrong of course I wasn’t 100% sure but I was totally aware of the risk and quite prepared to take it at that stage of the game. I wasn’t caught up in the hand either.</p>
<p>As for the other guys on the table not hitting into a monster invisible hand, how do you know they didn’t? I am certain that monster hands were dealt out to the others at some point. I didn’t play every hand and the hands I was not involved in were usually folded to the first raise or folded to the blind.</p>
<p>I think the guy to my immediate right was a monkey, but once he caught some chips I think he clammed right up and to be honest I also think he was very intimidated having me directly on his left. Would you want to have been sat to my immediate right in that game? I know I wouldn’t lol..</p>
<p>Yeah recording a higher stakes game sounds good but yanno I have to consider the fact I am putting up good money to win good money and when push comes to shove, money is what it is all about. The distractions of recording the game is something I can do without when playing for a $100-$200 SNG prize. But, we’ll see..</p>
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