Comments on: Right Then! The Month is Up! http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55 A SuitedJokers.com Publication Fri, 02 Apr 2010 03:24:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Blagger http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55/comment-page-1#comment-340 Blagger Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:09:56 +0000 http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55#comment-340 Pretty much agree with that Lippy.. As I said in the main post "<em>Adaptability and flexibility is of the utmost importance if you want to be able to progress through a tournament</em>." Experience isn't exactly a formula as such, but I know what you mean, experience equates to being able to mix the strategies/formula's up, as and when the table dynamics dictate. The "<em>Luck</em>" element will come bite yah in the ass or kiss yah on the cheek, and you have no control over when it will pop up either. But over the course of a year's playing, if you play it right, the luck should even itself out and your skills will determine your profit/loss. In theory.. lol Pretty much agree with that Lippy.. As I said in the main post “Adaptability and flexibility is of the utmost importance if you want to be able to progress through a tournament.”

Experience isn’t exactly a formula as such, but I know what you mean, experience equates to being able to mix the strategies/formula’s up, as and when the table dynamics dictate.

The “Luck” element will come bite yah in the ass or kiss yah on the cheek, and you have no control over when it will pop up either.

But over the course of a year’s playing, if you play it right, the luck should even itself out and your skills will determine your profit/loss.

In theory.. lol

]]> By: zitlips http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55/comment-page-1#comment-339 zitlips Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:28:34 +0000 http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55#comment-339 I myself will never believe any one formula works with a contributable profit, with one exception, "Experience" You have percentage players, numbers (mathamatical) players, odds players, collusion players, and so on and so on. Not one single type of player wins consistantly enough to prove anything to me. Some players are easily locked into one style of play because it worked long enough to convince them that this was the only way to play, only to get clobbered to the point that the realization finally sets in that it INDEED aint. One only has to watch poker on TV to understand that even the pro's throughout several years of viewing change their ways of thinking. We've all seen all types of numbers players, rocks, loose, or whatever , have to bow to reality and shift strategies. One factor in poker never has and never will change. "LUCK" That's whats so fun about it. I have had times where a bad beat really use to piss me off. Anymore, say within the last month or two, I am not suprised by anything. So I have learned to pretty much laugh it off now. I myself will never believe any one formula works with a contributable profit, with one exception, “Experience”
You have percentage players, numbers (mathamatical) players, odds players, collusion players, and so on and so on.
Not one single type of player wins consistantly enough to prove anything to me.
Some players are easily locked into one style of play because it worked long enough to convince them that this was the only way to play, only to get clobbered to the point that the realization finally sets in that it INDEED aint.
One only has to watch poker on TV to understand that even the pro’s throughout several years of viewing change their ways of thinking.
We’ve all seen all types of numbers players, rocks, loose, or whatever , have to bow to reality and shift strategies.

One factor in poker never has and never will change. “LUCK”

That’s whats so fun about it.
I have had times where a bad beat really use to piss me off. Anymore, say within the last month or two, I am not suprised by anything. So I have learned to pretty much laugh it off now.

]]> By: Blagger http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55/comment-page-1#comment-338 Blagger Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:25:24 +0000 http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55#comment-338 Hi Dave Well I would agree with the sentiment “you cannot beat luck” and certainly getting the cards really helps, I am not sure if this what I would call “key” though. Of course if you are drawing stone cold cards hand after hand then there isn’t much you can do, agreed. What I think is key when playing bingo monkey players, is which cards you do play, not necessarily the cards you’d think either. I’ll touch on this ‘idea/theory’ on the next blog entry. Yes, by opening up the book I mean opening up the number of starting hands I would play, instead of maybe only playing top 20+ starting ranks I will push that to the top 40-50 rankings and even maybe up to the top 70 rankings at times. The example you gave of your beat, though unlucky wasn’t a stupid luck beat. Without knowing the suits the opponent was probably around 13-15% so a real dog to catch yah out, but not massively so. If he had flush draws or backdoor flush draws that will obviously pump his % a little more. But I hear yah frustration man.. Just played a SNG a few minutes ago and totally played my ass off, managed to get to heads up from a stack of 300 with 5 left in. I couldn’t have played it better, get to heads up and take the lead with 11,000 chips the opponent had gone from massive chip leader to 3000. Pulled AQ in the hole he went all in and I lost to his 10-J. A few hands later holed a 10-10 he went all in I called he showed Q-9 and I lost again to a Q on the turn. Very next hand he is all in again I had holed A-10 he shows A-8 and yup.. an 8 hits the river.. Nope you cannot beat luck but you can work very hard to eliminate luck out of the game as much as possible and that is all you can do. Later bud.. Hi Dave

Well I would agree with the sentiment “you cannot beat luck” and certainly getting the cards really helps, I am not sure if this what I would call “key” though. Of course if you are drawing stone cold cards hand after hand then there isn’t much you can do, agreed.

What I think is key when playing bingo monkey players, is which cards you do play, not necessarily the cards you’d think either. I’ll touch on this ‘idea/theory’ on the next blog entry.

Yes, by opening up the book I mean opening up the number of starting hands I would play, instead of maybe only playing top 20+ starting ranks I will push that to the top 40-50 rankings and even maybe up to the top 70 rankings at times.

The example you gave of your beat, though unlucky wasn’t a stupid luck beat. Without knowing the suits the opponent was probably around 13-15% so a real dog to catch yah out, but not massively so. If he had flush draws or backdoor flush draws that will obviously pump his % a little more.

But I hear yah frustration man.. Just played a SNG a few minutes ago and totally played my ass off, managed to get to heads up from a stack of 300 with 5 left in. I couldn’t have played it better, get to heads up and take the lead with 11,000 chips the opponent had gone from massive chip leader to 3000. Pulled AQ in the hole he went all in and I lost to his 10-J. A few hands later holed a 10-10 he went all in I called he showed Q-9 and I lost again to a Q on the turn. Very next hand he is all in again I had holed A-10 he shows A-8 and yup.. an 8 hits the river..

Nope you cannot beat luck but you can work very hard to eliminate luck out of the game as much as possible and that is all you can do.

Later bud..

]]> By: Svcmgr http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55/comment-page-1#comment-336 Svcmgr Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:38:26 +0000 http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55#comment-336 Getting the cards and a little Luck is the key isn't it? When you say "opening up" I assume you mean that your starting hand requirements "open up". You will call more hands and see if they hit. If they do, you aggressively play the hand. I say luck because I was playing a little last night and was trying that too but even with a good hand it is hard to get the Monkeys to fold. For example: I was starting to get a liitle low stacked. The guy to my left was calling almost every hand and whether he hit or not, if no one bet, he would bet and keep betting until the river. I was in the small blind. everyone else folded. I had A Q off. Pumped it up to 4 or 5 times the big blind. He calls. Flop comes A Q rag. I go all in. He calls with A K. I figured I was about to double up until a K hit on the turn. So, the plan was in place, the trap was set, the conditions were right, but luck kicked me right in the...well you know. The opportunities are endless. You get the ones that think a A rag is an all in hand or, calling with a K 7 on a raise is a smart play, chasing flushes, chasing str8's, etc. But, you still need the cards/hand to win. It is very frustrating to know what is happening but being powerless to take advantage of the situation. Good job on all of the high placements! Getting the cards and a little Luck is the key isn’t it?
When you say “opening up” I assume you mean that your starting hand requirements “open up”. You will call more hands and see if they hit. If they do, you aggressively play the hand.
I say luck because I was playing a little last night and was trying that too but even with a good hand it is hard to get the Monkeys to fold.
For example: I was starting to get a liitle low stacked. The guy to my left was calling almost every hand and whether he hit or not, if no one bet, he would bet and keep betting until the river.
I was in the small blind. everyone else folded. I had A Q off. Pumped it up to 4 or 5 times the big blind. He calls. Flop comes A Q rag. I go all in. He calls with A K. I figured I was about to double up until a K hit on the turn.
So, the plan was in place, the trap was set, the conditions were right, but luck kicked me right in the…well you know.
The opportunities are endless. You get the ones that think a A rag is an all in hand or, calling with a K 7 on a raise is a smart play, chasing flushes, chasing str8’s, etc. But, you still need the cards/hand to win.
It is very frustrating to know what is happening but being powerless to take advantage of the situation.
Good job on all of the high placements!

]]> By: Blagger http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55/comment-page-1#comment-335 Blagger Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:24:10 +0000 http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55#comment-335 Hi Gopher! ... yeah there was a lot more I wanted to write about the month's experiences, but I didn't want to turn the blog into a serialised novel. ;) I'll make another blog entry towards the weekend and try to include some of the things that I think were of note, whilst playing the wild bingo MTT games. Particularly the sort of hands you just mentioned QQ, KK etc. What did emerge through the month is that there is no definitive magical formula, not a precise science is it. You are correct it was a good learning curve and I should keep the notes and stuff as an ongoing exercise, it can only have a positive effect eh.. Hi Gopher! … yeah there was a lot more I wanted to write about the month’s experiences, but I didn’t want to turn the blog into a serialised novel. ;)

I’ll make another blog entry towards the weekend and try to include some of the things that I think were of note, whilst playing the wild bingo MTT games. Particularly the sort of hands you just mentioned QQ, KK etc.

What did emerge through the month is that there is no definitive magical formula, not a precise science is it. You are correct it was a good learning curve and I should keep the notes and stuff as an ongoing exercise, it can only have a positive effect eh..

]]> By: Gopher http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55/comment-page-1#comment-337 Gopher Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:36:24 +0000 http://www.suitedjokers.com/blog/archives/55#comment-337 Great going in the results mate, so the open book strategy did work to a certain extent. I agree with you though that you must be able to adapt your strategy to certain situations. There's not a lot you can do if you aren't getting the cards. I find, when I'm 'card dead' I will eventually get a very good hand like QQ only to find someone holding AA or KK. I'm wise enough in this situation not to go 'gung-ho' pre-flop but usually end up busted out anyway after seeing a good flop only for it to be even better for my oponent. I like the idea of notating the hands you played during a tournament, even if you have little ramblings along the way! I just can't be bothered going through a sites hand history to see whats went wrong or went right during a tournament. Reading your own notes taken for the hands that YOU play, (as well as any observational notes) would be interesting. One to try in the very near future! Once again, well done on the placings mate! A highly succesfull strategy trial with a lot of things learned in the process. Surely the way to becoming a better player! Great going in the results mate, so the open book strategy did work to a certain extent. I agree with you though that you must be able to adapt your strategy to certain situations. There’s not a lot you can do if you aren’t getting the cards.
I find, when I’m ‘card dead’ I will eventually get a very good hand like QQ only to find someone holding AA or KK. I’m wise enough in this situation not to go ‘gung-ho’ pre-flop but usually end up busted out anyway after seeing a good flop only for it to be even better for my oponent.

I like the idea of notating the hands you played during a tournament, even if you have little ramblings along the way! I just can’t be bothered going through a sites hand history to see whats went wrong or went right during a tournament. Reading your own notes taken for the hands that YOU play, (as well as any observational notes) would be interesting. One to try in the very near future!

Once again, well done on the placings mate! A highly succesfull strategy trial with a lot of things learned in the process. Surely the way to becoming a better player!

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