Comments on: Expanding your game

By: dagopher

dagopher — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:15:15 +0000

You go for it Netty…. just send me a complimentary copy!

As for hand histories, I’m usually the same as you guys. I normally do the replay stuff to look at a hand. But if you are absolutely steaming about a certain hand, can you look at the replay to gather all the info? All they give you normally is the hands and how much the pot was worth. The hand history will tell you this too, but add in starting chips (usually) and the individual rounds of betting right to the end.

In this perticular hand the replay history didn’t do enough to appease me. I didn’t have the info to make an ‘informed’ opinion of what actually happened.

Don’t get me wrong… I don’t advocate trawling through every single hand in a game, but there is always a selected few that you will be sitting there thinking “I could have/should have played that better”. Even hands that you won.

BTW, I’m still interested in getting a group together to play where we send in the hand histories to Blagz (if he’s still up for it) and get a game analysis.

By: netsson

netsson — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:30:57 +0000

I have never considered the handhistory as a tool! Hmmmm? maybe i should reconsider that and try it for a change.

I however do as Svcmgr use the replay as a tool to evaluate my combattants at the table. I find it very useful to combine with the notes i write about the players.

In extreme situations i do a screenshot and write that in the notes i.e see shot num so and so date and in that shot i can insert a longer note if i find a player who are “atm-easy-to-extreme”, “beware-the-sharpened-shark- teeth” or any other tell that are a bit longer and in need of an illustration! This method is very useful at sites who don’t have notes for example 3D

Hmmm? thought of a brilliant idea here…….. maybe write a book on “vegas-players-tells”, “a This is how players at Vegas play” or any other site we play at with big colourful illustrations and sell? Maybe i’ll be a millionaire that way?

By: dagopher

dagopher — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:44:58 +0000

Thanks for the comments guys, and I’m glad I got my last comment right Sarah!

From now on I’ll just punch and kick what’s ever around me (kids and wife not included ), then disect the hand as I did here. If I THEN think I was harshly done by then I’ll make my rant! lol

In all seriousness though, hand histories is not normally my thing, but I have proved to myself – if no-one else – that it can be a very useful tool.

By: Sarah

Sarah — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:18:38 +0000

Hi Gordon.

Thanks for letting me know about this.

I think you have it all pretty down to pat there. I must admit I was surprised at your initial reaction, because I’d felt as though I hadn’t made an incorrect call to begin with, but did wonder afterwards tbh!

In reply to your last comment, yes, you’re right. I would’ve folded to a large raise/all-in

By: svcmgr

svcmgr — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:02:14 +0000

Goph,
I enjoyed reading your post. It is well thought out and well written.
I, myself, do not do a lot of hand analyzing (sp?) especially if it is a MTT and I have played for a couple of hours because the file gets real long and hard to follow.
The one thing I do a lot is use the Replay button. I think a lot of people don’t realize that if the hand gets called down and you muck, you can still see the cards that were played in the replay.
I use this a lot to help me determine what type of player they are. Loose aggresive, tight passive, etc.
That is why it is still VERY important to watch the play even when you are not in the hand.
This is one of the advantages over live play. When a player mucks in a live game, you never see.
Lippy makes some good points too.
I don’t get as mad as I used to when I get short stack whacked. I have had a all-in called with a 2 4 off before and lost. I try to look back and see how I got myself in the short stack position in the first place. That is where my problem is, not trying to last is a short vs big stack war.
I tell myself, “I’ll run with these cards and whatever happens, happens”.
It hurts to loose going in with the best hand but at that point, you are out of control of the hand.
Hopefully, you will make it over the wall……
See ya soon.

By: zitlips

zitlips — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:58:57 +0000

Brilliant observation ya underground rat.
I myself am far too lazy to wig through hand analysis’s.(spelling)
I have cut it much shorter by understanding that being on a shorter stack in comparison to the remaining players is ALWAYS a disadvantage.
It IS their duty to take you out, even if it means they may chip you up by calling with an inferior hand. And as is usually the case, they hit. The scenario is of course reversed if you were the much larger stack.
I make a lot of final tables with a short stack and 90% of the time I have to wait for “those sure good fightin cards” to chip up, only to be called by those chip leaders with totally CRAP cards to call or even raise and hit.
Getting knocked out like that MAY give me two different sensations.
One (the usual one) is outrage, which might make me unload at the player, the table or the site via the table. Then I feel kinda embarrased and realize that if I wait for 2 minutes and don’t react the rage dies.
The other sensation is a good laugh. I wish this would happen more often but it don’t. As amatter of fact I can’t figure out why this sensation even happens at times. Where in the hell did it come from, and why can’t I always laugh when I get unduly clobbered out of a game?
Overall, I know where your at my friend and agree that the only people who will call and win in those situations, are the chip leaders, and the other short stacks, so EXPECT it…lol
Better luck in ALL your next games : )